Why a Christian Can vote for a Democrat…

November 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm 27 comments

I wasn’t planning to write this. In fact, I don’t want to write this. I am a very political man, but I tend to keep my political views and ideas to myself. This is primarily because I know that political views can be very strong and often cause unnecessary dissent. Consequently, I am hesitant to share my views with the masses. However, a series of events, comments, ugly talk, and frankly, ignorance has caused me to write this article. I confess it is not all encompassing. I have two primary goals.

First, I just want to make the claim that one can be a Christian and not a republican. I confess that having to make that statement seems quite silly. Having to defend it, is infuriating.

Secondly, I hope to explain my reasoning for not always voting republican. I pray you read this with an open mind and with a heart of understanding.

Let me pause and say this: I am a Christian. I happen to be black. I am also a pastor. My primary and main filter for decisions is, what does Jesus call me to do, think, believe, and act. It is however, foolish to believe that other factors don’t contribute to my decision(s). We all come from different perspectives. We all have issues and causes that we find important. In a way, that is another point of this post.

I do not believe there is a “Christian Party”. That is one the silliest things I’ve ever heard. Neither party is fully Christian, thus individuals have to come to conclusions independently about what they believe is important. I don’t think all Christians have to vote the same way anymore than I believe we all have to go to the same Church, or be the same denomination, or wear the same color shirts on Sunday. Though some of my friends insist that their “Christian Worldview” propels them to vote for a Republican, I have a worldview that I also believe is Christian, that often (not always) propels me to vote differently.

The structure of this has been greatly influenced and often will be the exact same ideas found in a recent article I read from a guy named Keith Drury.

Republicans Issues I support:

1. I do not believe in abortion. If I was a one-issue voter and abortion was the only issue I’d vote Republican.  But I have other issues to consider, and I honestly don’t think the Republicans actually deliver much on this issue…what they deliver most is rhetoric. I suspect most evangelicals tilt Republican on abortion alone.  However even if “the Republicans win on abortion” where will it get us?  Republicans have no hope of outlawing abortion in this nation or the world—they have given up on a constitutional amendment.  If Republicans get what they want (overturning Roe v. Wade) it would merely turn abortion back for the states to decide.  Where would that get us?  The best bet is that 95% of the people in the USA would have abortion readily available and 5% would be restricted. And wouldn’t the 5% just get on a bus and go to the next state? Is this what I want?  I disagreed with the notion of “states rights” when it came to slavery and I disagree with it on abortion too. I want the whole nation to reduce abortions to at or near zero and neither party helps me there.  Handing back the decision to the states would restrict abortion only to those without money to travel out of state—that’s doesn’t impress me as a better moral choice. In five years, and ten, we will have just about the same situation in this country whomever we elect and whoever is appointed to the Supreme Court—even if Roe is overturned.  So, while I believe the matter is of serious moral consequences, on the practical side I see little difference in the outcome no matter which party is in power.

Additionally: It should be noted that when John McCain was asked to rate issues from most important to least….Abortion was number 9 on his list! In other words, voting for McCain, doesn’t exactly change the abortion status in our country. (No more than the past 8 years with Bush have) So why should this be the ONLY issue I vote on? Seems very silly to me. Again, mostly rhetoric.

2. As for gay rights I lam generally spiritually conservative and politically moderate—I believe it is wrong to deprive gay Americans (or Americans who commit adultery, get divorced or otherwise sin) of their civil rights—such a fair access to housing or jobs. But I reserve the right of religious organizations and churches to hire whomever they want to based on whatever lifestyle issues they consistently practice.  I believe no government can tell a church to hire someone practicing any behavior they forbid—alcohol, tobacco committing adultery, the gay lifestyle, wearing a hair covering, or wearing a yellow beanie. (that was a joke, if you didn’t get it, you need to relax a little) Whatever we consistently practice as a biblically based lifestyle in the church or organization as a matter of religious conviction can rule when it comes to employment.  But as a nation I am willing to extend civil rights to both saints and sinners.

As to “Gay marriage” I am generally disinterested politically. Let me say that clearly, I tend to not care. I’m not even sure I like the government in the marriage business at all and prefer the church to decide who gets married and who gets to take Communion. I’m a pastor by heart, not a politician—so I’m more concerned about the church being pro-family than the world. But generally I lean toward the Republicans on this one, though not far enough to deprive civil rights from any sinners—straight or gay.

These are the main issues that most republicans argue with me about. I am told that these issues alone should propel me to always vote republican….I tend to agree with republicans on these issues…

But on many other issues I find likeness with Democrats:

3. The environment is an important cause for me.  The Democrats are far less than I want but the Republicans are even more distant from what I think is the Biblical position.   I see caring for the environment as a deeply religious conviction growing out of the Scriptural call for stewardship of the earth. Our refusal to accept this view of creation is simply sinful pride and egotism—we can’t imagine God cares for anything but us humans.  But He does.  Do you not believe that God cares about the sparrows and knows when one falls?

4. The care of the poor is important to me and is vastly and greatly important to God. Caring for the poor is not an option for anyone who takes a serious reading of the Bible—it is a demand and even a test of whether I am really a Christian.  I think Democrats have done a better job trying to do this than Republicans.  Sure, they have not produced perfect programs—almost all of them are flawed as badly as my local church’s  attempts to run Sunday school or evangelism programs.  But an imperfect work is better than no work at all.  I know most evangelicals say, “This is what the church should be doing.” My response to that is show me where!!  What church does this in a serious way?  There are a few, but it is a cup when an ocean is needed. Is your church doing it? More importantly, are you doing it? In fact, even if you are, I believe there is enough need in the world that both can do it! Most churches gather money to spend it on themselves, not the poor.  Are we willing to forgo our new building to care for the poor and pay the bills for all those aged parents in nursing homes (Oh, you didn’t know that Medicaid pays most of those?) Democrats help me fulfill this command of Christ far better than most Republicans do.

5. As for health care I believe deeply in some sort of a nationalized system that considers justice and compassion over the medical cartel’s profits. When a nation finds people beaten and bleeding by the road I think they can’t respond with, “Take responsibility for your own problems” or “Too bad—doesn’t your employer have insurance.”  A real Good Samaritan pays the bill.  So would a “Christian nation.”  I find even many Democrats wrong on this issue too. My position here grows out of the teachings of the Bible, not economics.  It is the compassionate thing to do and the church won’t do it—face it, Christian organizations are often more stingy than secular ones on this issue with their employees.  It is a problem we’ll have to solve through government—God favors the church but He also ordained government and the family.  When one agency fails He is willing to use another.  Christ spent huge amounts of his precious time on earth healing the sick—it must be a value of God’s since Christ came to show us what God is like. Caring for sick people out of compassion and not for profit comes from the Bible in my view.  I’m with John Wesley here—medical doctors and others who get rich off of sick people will have a hard time entering heaven—as Wesley said—“it is possible but hard” (as hard as a camel going through the eye of a needle). Jesus did spend extraordinary energy relieving pain and suffering.  On this issue I lean with Democrats.

6. I’m with the Democrats on Equality and Justice too—though most Republicans now pretend they’ve been there all the time.  I think women should not be denied their rights because they are women.  They should get equal pay for equal work and should have access to the same jobs men can do.  I believe the same is correct for minorities, the disabled, and everyone! I believe the Bible on this—we are neither slave nor free, male nor female in the kingdom of God—and we should take those values into the world if we can.  Seeing Republican resistance on progress for women and other justice related issues is saddening to me, and their recent conversion doesn’t impress me much.  Sorry, Republicans, I end up wanting to support Democrats for standing on the Biblical side of this issue even when they get hammered for doing so.

7. I generally favor increased taxation of citizens who are better off for the sake of those less fortunate.  I don’t want to redistribute all income, but I’d be happy to redistribute more of it.  Why?  It is simply the teaching of the Old and New Testament.   I can’t see how one would have any other position and be true to the Bible.  Republicans might say that rich Christians ought to give their money personally to the poor and not through the government but somehow if a person is serious about the Old and New Testament’s teaching you’ve got to redistribute resources. I wish people did it personally. It is a nice idea.  But, have you seen this happening much?  If we did away with all taxes would you give your taxes to the poor?  Seriously?  Since churches are not taxed do you see the church giving generously to the poor?  Seriously?  I personally think rich people will always figure out ways to make money.  The church ought to urge us to do the right thing, but if we don’t, then government ought to figure out a way to make us do it.  We should share with those less fortunate than we are.  If it is through generous personal giving we get a reward in heaven.  If it through taxes taken from us by force and without complaints we may get no reward in heaven but at least the people are helped. The Democrats are closer to Biblical values as I see them on this point.  Sure I would rather “teach a poor person to fish than give them a fish.”  But teaching fishing is a far more expensive welfare program than distributing fish—so I’m willing to spend even more to enable the poor to get off their backs and take over the fishing ponds.

8. I believe national self-interest is selfishness and thus sinful and both parties are wrong on this.  Christian values call us to feed our enemies, not just “use our aid to reward our friends.” Real Christians exchange “enlightened self-interest” for “enlightened other-interest.”   Sure, a nation cannot give everything away—we couldn’t be that much like Christ.  So, I accept a moderate level of national self-interest, but what I see from both parties is not Christian. To my thinking the Democrats are a tiny bit more Christian on this one but not enough. Jimmy Carter who thought justice and human rights played a part in international aid, not just America’s interests.  That was a Christian value.

9. I believe that God wants capital punishment banished from the earth so that neither individuals nor governments kill people, including unborn people and evil people alike.  Of course our religion’s greatest event occurred as a result of capital punishment at Calvary. It was wrong then and it is wrong now—for the thieves as well as the Savior (though of course God turned this evil to good).  I think if Christ ruled this earth there would be no capital punishment—so I want to make things closer to his kingdom now. The Democrats are often closer to what I think God wants on this issue though most now are quite willing to fry criminals to get votes.

10. On the size of government I reject the argument, “that the government which governs best governs least” and believe it to be as silly as saying, “that father which fathers best fathers least” or “that church which worships best worships least.” I want good government not little government.  The Democrat’s affection for centralized large government often fits better with my take on things.  On this one I traditionally tilt toward the Democrats but I can’t honestly say it has anything to do with my theology or the Bible. It is a non-starter issue for me as a Christian.

Additionally, I am disgusted with Christians who oppose government assistance but take government assistance. If you want the government to stay out of your personal affairs, you want less government, then you shouldn’t partake in programs that are government funded. For an individual to tell me that there should be less government while being on welfare is slightly hypocritical and extremely frustrating to hear and see.

11. I believe corporations who have paid less and less of the tax burden over the last three decades should pay far more until they are paying their fair share.  Yes, I know that merely “raises the price of the product” to the consumers.  But buying their product is my choice so I don’t need to buy it if I don’t want to—I think it is wrong to shift taxes from Boeing to Wal-Mart clerks.  Corporations are getting a free ride recently while the “average Jane” pays the Corporation’s share of taxes.  I think rich people should pay tithe just like the poor people.  Likewise I think rich corporations should care for the poor too. Democrats are usually better at calling for more taxes from corporations and rich people than Republicans and are in my mind closer to the Biblical values of “of whom much is given much is required.”

12. I think we need massive initiatives in education because the Bible calls us to bring up the next generation.  I’d even be satisfied if we’d put 10% of the money we’ve been squandering in Iraq, into grants for college students. And, another 10% into public elementary and secondary education.  Where’d we get the idea that a Christian should be for low taxes and against education?  I don’t see that anywhere in the Bible.

There are honestly (and I mean this) other issues that I could write about. I have taken a great deal of time, energy and effort to think about issues and who best represents what I believe. So, when someone tells me that I voted a particular way because I’m black or because I just haven’t thought about the issues, not only am I offended but I tend to get slightly pissed. (I know, I’m a pastor and I probably shouldn’t say the word pissed, but after all, I’m a crazy liberal…) I have thought about the issues and in fact, I believe I’ve thought about them A LOT more than someone who votes based on two issues alone. Especially when those two issues are affected so minutely by whoever is in office. When I go into the voting booth and vote for a Democrat it is not in spite of my faith but because of it. (You too can do that and be a Republican )

I don’t care if you disagree with some, most, or all of what I’ve written. I simply want you to know and understand that my Christianity doesn’t FORCE me to blindly vote republican. If yours does, that’s fine. But please, please, please, don’t try to undermine my Christianity based on who I voted for. That, my friends, is a sin and is quite harmful and hurtful.


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27 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Chris LeRoux  |  November 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I have not read this entirely, but I plan to. Thanks for posting this, Noah.

  • 2. Sadie  |  November 6, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Oh, Noah. (Every tme I type your name, I almost type Norah)
    Thank you for writing this. I have spent most of today angry at the hate and ignorance that many of my friends are spouting out. I don’t even know how to express what I am feeling, so thank you for having the courage and grace to write this.

  • 3. Brit Windel  |  November 6, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    its about freakin time man. about freaking time you blog again and wow what a posting indeed. very good man

  • 4. Jasmine  |  November 6, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Noah. Thank you.

  • 5. Matt Cleaver  |  November 6, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Well, my liberal buddy, I tend to disagree with you. But it hasn’t been without going through some phases of thought.

    I grew up in republican land and started drifting to the left a bit in college. When Obama began his campaign two-ish years ago, I gave him a careful ear. And I fully expected to vote for him, because I thought many of the things he was talking about were Christian ideals, just as you outline above. And I liked the nature in which he campaigned. He will be the United States first postmodern President.

    However, what brought me back around to the right was my ecclesiology. As I have become more radical in what I believe to be the role of the church, I saw that the things I believed the church should be doing were the same things that Obama and the Democratic party tended to do as well.

    Obviously, I know that the church isn’t doing those things, but to me, voting on those issues is to place my hope in the government doing the job of the church. It isn’t for lack of talent, creativity, and resources that the church isn’t doing these things. Obviously there are massively complicated and intricate ministries that have the administrative and logistic potential to be a transforming agent in society. Problem is, most exist for the sake of themselves, not the sake of others. The potential exists in the church, but the vision and mission isn’t there yet.

    I’ve noticed in most cases, every aspect of our society is asking for more. Schools have higher academic goals and standards. They give more homework and expect higher grades. Athletics become increasingly competitive. More practices, more games, and summer camps. And the government is the same way: just a little more taxes and we’ll get this problem solved. Well, at some point we have to say enough is enough. And I’m getting to that point.

    I’m started to ramble. I could say more. But, my theology of geography also makes me lean towards spending more money locally rather than nationally.

    Done for now.

    PS – This doesn’t mean I’m a republican, because they’re not fiscally conservative enough for me. In fact, I voted against my incumbent republican senator for a libertarian. The main reason I voted for McCain was for the power of the veto. I don’t like one party controlling both houses of congress and the executive branch. But now that’s done, it’s back to figuring out what our church is called to do in the neighborhood in Cedar Hill, TX.

    Love ya, lib.

  • 6. Al  |  November 6, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Home run Noah! Awesome post! It saddens me what is being spewed about in the name of Christianity in connection with this election. May God open our eyes and hearts!

  • 7. Matt Cleaver  |  November 6, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Oh, and, thanks for writing. I know it took some guts.

    I wish people realized that the blood of Christ binds us together, not the red, white, and blue or our political party.

  • 8. Maggie  |  November 6, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    This is so right on… thanks for taking the time!

  • 9. Noah  |  November 6, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Matt, very well said. I disagree, but isn’t it awesome that you and I can disagree, still be very close friends, and both remain Christians! I love it, and I love you!

    For those that don’t know, Matt is one of my closest and dearest friends. I have a great deal of respect for him! Thanks for your thoughts dude…

    Thank you everyone for your comments thus far. As i said in the post, you agreeing with me, is not the point….SO if you didnt agree with everything i said, that’s SO ok!


  • 10. Rusty  |  November 6, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Thanks for sharing Noah. You know what else really frusrated me about this election? Arkansas banning unmarried cohabiting people from being able to foster or adopt children. As I watched that come across the screen i actually became angry. I want to say, “If you voted for that, you better be stepping up to to be a foster parent and adopt children that need homes. Seeing as how you have eliminated many families who were willing to step up and reach out to children.” Hell, i’d rather have kids with gay couples than living in abusive situations or having to be shuffled around from here to there. I better quit before i get too angry…peace out.

  • 11. Noah  |  November 6, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I agree completely Rusty! Completely.

  • 12. Lindsey  |  November 7, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Hi, Noah! Dad told me to come check out your latest blog, and I’m glad that I did. I did NOT vote for Obama, but will support and pray for him earnestly as he is my authority and I truely wish for him to succeed. I am very saddened by conservatives being bitter and hateful.
    I appreciate your point of view and am sooo thankful that you wrote on it. Even though I don’t agree with everything. But I do agree with your views on abortion and gay marriage, totally! Although redistributing wealth (even if it’s just a little) is a big one for me. If God, Himself, refuses to force people to make the right decision then I see no point in the government doing it for him. Robert and I neither have health insurance (and haven’t for sometime) because we can’t afford it. But I would NEVER want anyone to force a more wealthy person to pay for our health care. But I could go on and on about that and other things, so I’ll stop.
    I love hearing other people’s points of views because I want to make my decisions based on every aspect! So good for you, being thoroughly educated, and then voting according to that instead of a superficial knowledge.
    And I must add, I feel extremely honored to be alive at such a historical time in our nations history!

  • 13. Noah  |  November 7, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Very valid points. Again, it’s kind of awesome that we can disagree and there’s no problem. 🙂

    Thanks again for your post. I too enjoy hearing other perspectives. It’s quite refreshing actually.

  • 14. Shelly  |  November 7, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Noah, While I don’t necessarily agree with all of your opinions and thoughts, I wholeheartedly support your right as a Christian to have different opinions than mine! And I agree, that while our life situations and family history and culture definitely play a role in our decisions and actions, our relationship with Jesus Christ is what guides our lives and what connects us. I am glad that you are an intelligent person who loves the Lord and is willing to take the time to actually THINK about issues and vote your own conscience as you feel God is leading you. THAT is a great thing for every christian to learn!

    We, as christians, are not called to force our opinions down each other’s throats! We are each called to PRAY and live and act in accordance with how the Spriit leads us…. No matter how you or I voted, this new President IS who he is. God is sovereign… Everything is in His hand, not the President’s hand!! The time for debating the issues has past…. the votes have been counted…. now is the time that we as christians should begin praying for our new leader. Period. I seem to recall a very wise “man” :-)saying… “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Luke 20:25 He has been placed in that office and we are to render unto him the respect that position deserves. But the praise and glory belong to God!

    This new President is not going to be the great leader who saves the US! Nor is he going to be the one who is its’ downfall! This nation will only be saved when God’s people (all of them! Democrats & Republicans alike!) “humble themselves and pray and seek (God’s) face and turn from their wicked ways, then will (He) hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14
    You are my brother in Christ, Noah! I am proud to serve with you in our church and I have no doubt that you are here in this place at this time for a very specific purpose of God. Bless you!

  • 15. Sadie  |  November 7, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I need to apologize for what I said about ignorance and hate. I was angry, and not thinking clearly, and was being hateful myself. So, sorry about that. I would delete it if I could.

  • 16. Noah  |  November 8, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I will delete it if you want sadie. I dont see anything wrong with your comment though….

  • 17. Jasmine  |  November 8, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    It was SO fun laughing and playing games with you. I hope we can do it again sometime… soon.

  • 18. Joy  |  November 9, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Hey Noah,
    Thanks for this post. A lot of it made sense, but one thing confused me: What are you referring to when you mention civil rights for gays? I don’t think the republicans are trying to limit gays’ access to housing or jobs, just legalized marriage. And i don’t consider being able to legally marry someone of the same sex a civil right. Could you help me understand better what you mean by this one?
    Thanks and God Bless.

  • 19. Laurie  |  November 10, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I am so glad you posted this. I have had a hard time explaining to people why Jared and I started leaning more toward Obama.

  • 20. dawn  |  November 11, 2008 at 11:40 am

    i am so glad you wrote this. i am told all the time that i just haven’t thought things through or whatever when someone asks how i voted. i grew up a conservative and now that i have thought things through, i have come to similar conclusions as you. thank you for posting this.

  • 21. Katy  |  December 11, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Hi Noah,

    I just randomly happened upon your blog today. I know I am way late to comment, but I wanted you to know I enjoyed your post. I disagree with you on many things, but still enjoy reading what you have to say.

    As far as the gay marriage and abortion thing, I totally agree with your points. They are exactly why I do not vote Republican either. Honestly, I would kind of like for Roe v. Wade to be overturned just because Christians would have to actually learn about the issues next time.

    But, when it comes to the size of government, that’s where I get hung up with the Democrats. I believe a free market is our best and most proven tool for fighting poverty, cleaning up the environment, and bettering our economy. I liked your point that you want good government, but I don’t think that our current situation points to good government at all. Take the $700 billion bailout, for example. Taxpayers got into the mortgage business without a say in the matter. And that money? Well, already our politicians in Washington are annoyed that banks are contracting credit instead of extending it. The banks looked at it as a bailout for them, not the economy. And the social programs you’re talking about? Well, one of them is the American Dream housing legislation that encouraged home loans to people who could not afford them. That was courtesy of the Clinton years and it’s part of what got us into this housing crunch in the first place. IJS.

    Stepping off my soap box now. Enjoying your blog! Take care.

  • 22. Lee  |  December 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Pres. Bush appointed two surpreme court justices that resulted in an end to late term abortion. This is a blessing. The vote was 5-4 to ban late term abortion, thanks to pres. Bush. I am a black christian and pres.Bush got my vote. For a christian can there be any more important issue than the life of a baby. This is from a christian black father of two children that are gifts from God. I thank God for the gifts. I could not vote for anyone that supports abortion. Black, white or whatever.

  • 23. you'll never know  |  January 24, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Your views are disturbing and twisted from a Christian and Biblical perspective. I’m ashamed for you that you call yourself a pastor.

  • 24. Andrea  |  January 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    As a christian, I am totally disgusted by this posting. How can you call yourself a christian and make statements like “Of course our religion’s greatest event occurred as a result of capital punishment at Calvary. It was wrong then and it is wrong now”?? If you’re saying that Christ’s death on the cross was wrong, then you are obviously not a christian. It’s because of his death that we live. God sent Christ to live as a human KNOWING and giving permission for his eventual death. His death is the reason for the christian faith/religion/whatever you want to call it. That is what angered me the most about your posting. Also, your statements on how your opposition to abortion didn’t cause you to vote republican is hypocritical coming from a christian. Abortion is one of the few political issues that God has a clear standing on. He is totally and 100% against it. How in the world could you as a “God-loving christian” vote in favor of something that God is CLEARLY against? That doesn’t make one bit of sense to me. God is an all-or-none kind of God, meaning you can’t be on the fence. You can’t say “I do not believe in abortion” and then turn around and vote for somebody who clearly does support it. You are a hypocrite and I feel sorry for the people you lead as a pastor. I know that you will probably not approve this post for your blog, and that is fine. I just want you to read it and think about how much you are saddening God.

  • 25. Noah  |  January 24, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    “You’ll Never Know”…I am not responding to you. If you dont have the courage to assign your name to your opinion it need not be responded to..

    Andrea, I appreciate your opinion and contrary to what you think, I did approve your comment even though I TOTALLY DISAGREE with you. In fact, your narrow thought process is the VERY reason this post was posted…Based on your belief all Christians should vote republican and I’m sorry, but that isnt true…

    Let me clarify a few things. Christ being crucified was indeed a wrong. He was perfect and DID NOT deserve to be killed. Yes our foundation as Christians is a result of this wronging, but to deny that it was wrong would imply that Christ somehow deserved to die. That is a sinful thought….AND completely false….
    I am obviously not a Christian? That statement saddens me for you dont know me.

    I wont even address the abortion issue again, because i explain it as clearly as I could and you didnt get it. I don’t believe in abortion anymore than you do…So let’s be clear about that.

    My point in this post was yes, God is CLEARLY against abortion, BUT isnt God against and for other things as well. I am deeply and painfully saddened that YOU think you have the power and authority to dictate what is the MOST important thing to GOD! That is a sin and is maddening to God. (I assume).

    So, my fellow Sister in Christ, you have every right to disagree with me. I have no problem with that. But please, for all of us and for the sake of unity of the body, please don’t question my allegiance to God because I didn’t vote the way you did. That is both foolish and sinful….

  • 26. Andrea  |  January 25, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Someday you will be judged…may God have mercy on your soul…

  • 27. Noah  |  January 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    I really prayed that you would respond with a well thought out comment. Sadly, I was greatly disappointed….

    I will be judged by other people’s actions? I will be judged for voting for a democrat? Your flawed logic also makes you worthy of that same judging as under a republican president, abortion has remained legal for the past 8 republican years…So I suppose I should pray for your soul also?

    I confess that I find my dialogue with you quite pointless. You are single focused and refuse to think critically. So if you have nothing constructive to say, I will ask you to refrain from commenting further. Thanks.

    AGAIN….PLEASE, for all of us and for the sake of unity of the body, please don’t question my allegiance to God because I didn’t vote the way you did. That is both foolish and sinful….

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Making Disciples a Few at a Time
Transforming Discipleship: Making Disciples a Few at a Time
Greg Ogden

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